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Bets of the US Supreme Court Wedding Cake Decision? Tell me what you think they will decide, and the winners will receive flowers. :)

asked by ROLLE2323 on December 05, 2017

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For those who don't know the background, here is the issue:

A gay couple went in to a bakery to order a wedding cake. The bakery owner is very religious, and told them that he could not make such a cake. He does serve gay people in the bakery shop, but refuses to make special cakes for them when they decide to get married. The whole idea of gay marriage is an offense against his religion.

The bakery owner was told that he HAD to make such cakes by the courts, but because he could not do so and be true to his own religious conscience, he stopped making ALL wedding cakes, thus losing 40% of his business and income.

The issue has gone to the Supreme Court. The baker is saying that his first amendment rights have been violated.

The first amendment of the constitution of the United States reads as follows:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The baker is saying this is a religious issue, and he should not be forced to violate his own religious beliefs. However, it is being said he has little likelihood of winning his case based on religious beliefs, and much more chance of winning based on the violation of his right to free speech.

The 14th amendment to the US constitution mentions that all people have a right to marry. (Does not mention their right to eat cake...LOL!!)

The gay couple feel that their right to enjoy their wedding was violated by the bakery owner who refused to make their cake, thus violating their rights under the 14th amendment and making them feel like second class citizens.

This touches on several previous court rulings, one involving race, where owners of restaurants may not refuse to serve customers based on their race.
by ROLLE2323 12/05/2017 5:53 PM
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Entry by Sir Furry via proxy: According to British Law.

"Re the 'gay wedding cake ' issue.A similar case in Britain resulted in the following court verdict-
Christian bakery guilty of discrimination over gay marriage cake refusal
Court rules Christian-owned bakery that refused to ice cake with pro-gay marriage slogan discriminated on grounds of sexual orientation

Essentially bakers have been told they cannot refuse to make wedding cakes because the couple are gay.We have also had cases where hotel owners have refused gay people a double room.Can't remember the court case ruling but it's easily looked up."
by ROLLE2323 12/05/2017 11:28 PM
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Last Reply by VALENTINE 7 days ago

It may be the case brought before the Bristol County Court here in 2011 where the judge ruled the hotel owners actions unlawful, awarding £3600 damages. More details at:

"Peter Bull and his wife Hazelmary were found to have breached equality laws when they refused to let Martyn Hall and his civil partner Steven Preddy stay at their guesthouse.

A judge ordered them to pay a total of £3,600 in damages in a case which the couple said left them with the impossible task of reconciling their business with their religious beliefs.

But now the pair claim to have come up with a solution – by turning Chymorvan guesthouse in Marazion, west Cornwall, into a not-for-profit organisation catering for Christians only."

My view is that there are certain pockets of society who have not been exposed to diversification. It is therefore a matter of education.

I worked as a consultant, and in 2004 when I was working on two contracts, one for 2-3 days a week in Tower Hamlets (East London, by Tower Bridge - a melting pot of the world - I was myself a 'minority ethnic'), and the rest of the week in the Bath council offices - a leafy white area. In Bath, I sat next to a lady who said out loud "Well, we don't want any of those r*g heads working here". Yes, clearly a case of 'education' - whilst London was very used to a mix of ethnicities, Bath was not quite so.

We will always find pockets of society which will defend the historical status quo - it is a matter of degree, and the more people who are led towards a more embracing view, the remaining intransigents will be left isolated.

People should not hide behind religious views to try and support their own prejudices.

We are moving towards a more enlightened society. Long may it continue.
by VALENTINE 7 days ago
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Last Reply by ROLLE2323 7 days ago

I can't wait to hear what the US Supreme Court decides, and their reasoning. :)

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